Transcript of the Collaboration Virtual Conference MOO Discussion, April 4, 2001

Wed Apr 4 12:02:47 2001 PDT
Keri_guest teleports in.
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Hi Keri!"
Keri_guest says, "Hi! I guess I made it...""
Einstein_Guest teleports in.
mday (rhetronymical) says, "You did. "
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Great! "
Keri_guest says, "Who else is here?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "to the person who just came in, please change your name with @name yourname, unless you want to be anonymous"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Einstein guest is here, but needs to change his/her name"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Remember, if you want to say something, type a " first"
Patty_guest teleports in.
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Hi Patty! Patty Andersen?"
Patty_guest says, "Yes, that's the right Patty. Nice to see you again Michael!""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Nice to see you too! I miss my old friends there!"
mday (rhetronymical) needs to go help folks out in the welcome room. BRB
mday teleports out.
Patty_guest says, "Am I early? Late? I missed yesterday, was returning from a funeral"
Keri_guest says, "Welcome room? I didn't even know there was a welcome room. You're not late, Patty. We're just getting going.""
Patty_guest exclaims, "Hi Keri. I didn't know there was a welcome room either! I've used this once before, last year in the other conference that Michael did. It's hard to get a handle on!"
Keri_guest says, "This session on MOO is a little different from yesterday's chat. There were some technical limitations to the chat software we used that made it a little frustrating, but there was some good conversation nevertheless.""
mday comes home.
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "nuts, that room is a quiet room. I will have to page each of them. Was there a problem with my instructions?"
Patty_guest says, "yesterday was IRC right? I've used that more than this forum."
Pasture_Guest teleports in.
Keri_guest says, "It was IRC, but with a Web interface. It required folks to keep hitting their Reload button to see new postings.""
Patty_guest says, "none that I encountered. I just hurried back from lunch to make it here in time."
Pasture_Guest says, "thanks"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "well, I paged everyone who was stuck in the Welcome room."
Patty_guest says, "ouch, nobody tried MIrc, a nice little piece of software. . ."
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "I didn't know it was a quiet room where you can't talk!"
Keri_guest says, "We should have used MIRC as we did at the last virtual conference. Instead, we used software that our Web site server installed for us. Live and learn...""
Patty_guest asks, "why would anyone have a virtual room where people can't talk?"
Keri_guest says, "LOL""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Ahh, so tell me about what happened yesterday?"
Pasture_Guest says, "It wouldn't let me change my name...kept telling me it didn't understand that. oh well, I'll be pasture_guest or whatever ;-)""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Did the software fail you?"
Keri_guest says, "No, it was just rather a primitive set up.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "that's too bad, sort of like telnet in the MOO."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Pasture guest, did you try "@name yourname" without the quotes? I think it worked for Patty and Keri."
Keri_guest says, "This works much better, having it automatically update with new postings instead of having to reload the cache constantly.""
Bob_guest teleports in.
Sharon_guest says, "I found out what was wrong - it wouldn't take two names. So now I'm Sharon_guest. Thanks.""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Hi Bob!"
Wed Apr 4 12:12:47 2001 PDT
Keri_guest says, "Michael, how many lost souls were in the quiet room? Should we begin?""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "ahh, thanks for trying again, Sharon! Nice to have you with us!"
Sharon_guest says, "If we were only all 13-years old this would be a lot easier ;-)"
Patty_guest says, "LOL"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "There is still a Ventura Guest idle 11 minutes in the Welcome room. I will page that person one last time, but then we should start."
Keri_guest says, "Jesse?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "right, my 14 year old LIVES in this sort of environment."
mday (rhetronymical) giggles at Keri! Yeah, Jesse. Right.
Patty_guest says, "It helps if you can read and type at the same time. . ."
Sharon_guest says, "Mike, I'm sorry but I think ventura was me too - tried to log in and change my name - it wouldn't let me, so I tried again.""
Keri_guest says, "Well, we might as well begin. Welcome, all, to the MOO session, and thanks and welcome especially to you, Michael, for setting this up.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "OK, we should get started. First, please introduce yourself by full name and institution, as follows:"
mday (rhetronymical) is Michael Day, Northern Illinois University
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "ahh, thanks Sharon. Now I'll know that Ventura isn't someone lost!"
Keri_guest says, "Keri_guest is Keri Mohror, The Collaboration""
Patty_guest says, "is Patty Andersen, South Dakota School of Mines and Technology"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "you can type :is (whatever) to do this."
Sharon_guest says, "is Sharon Gray, Augustana College, Sioux Falls, SD"
Bob_guest says, "is Bob Kistler, Bethel College"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "in principle, I do this every time I bring together a new group, so when we read the transcript, we'll know who is who. I am logging now."
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Hi again Bob! Didn't I meet you when I was out there?"
gene_guest says, "is Gene Hermitte, Johnson C. Smith University""
Bob_guest says, "Yes, and maybe that workshop is why I am in the chatroom now, but not in any way an addict, but still a novice."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Second business item: Roger had a serious family emergency just a few minutes ago and can't be with us. He sents his apologoes. We can certainly schedule a different time with him, if we like."
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Glad that you came back to the synchronous environment, Bob!"
Patty_guest says, "sorry to hear that Roger can't join us"
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Gene, I remember you from previous virtual conferences too. Nice to see you again!"
Kris_guest teleports in.
mday (rhetronymical) says, "this emergency was sudden and he had to go deal with it. But we can still chat."
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Hi Kris! Could you please introduce yourself and your institution, for the record and so that we'll know who you are?"
Keri_guest says, "While Kris is working on her introduction, I'll ask a question: Michael, how do you use this application in your classes?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I guess what I want to talk about are the issues I've already brought up in my questions, but I would rather let all of you bring up questions and issues about online teaching and learning that concern you."
MOOn_Guest teleports in.
mday (rhetronymical) says, "And you can think about that while I answer Keri."
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Hi MOOn guest! Could you introduce yourself and your institution for the record?"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Just remember that you need to type a " or a : before anything you say."
MOOn_Guest says, "Greeting, Scott here from UW to join in the conversation."
Wed Apr 4 12:23:15 2001 PDT
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Well, since I teach writing and I believe in collaborative invention/brainstorming, I often get students to work in small groups on the MOO to compare, discuss, and develop topic ideas."
Kris_guest says, "Hi - I'm Kris Pierre, the Marketing Director for The Collaboration. I was out most of last week at the AAHE Conference but have been lurking for the past few days and have been intriqued by the conversations you all have been having. I spent a good deal of my earlier professional life working with First Year Student Programs so have particularly enjoyed the observations folks have shared on how to engage students in learning on line." "
mday (rhetronymical) says, "The writing tutors also do online consulting on MOO."
Keri_guest says, "How does that (the tutoring) work?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Well, I admit that we're just getting it going here, but the tutors at U of Ill. Chicago have the student e-mail the paper, and then login to a special MOO room that has "bots""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "These bots are automated programs that have text about common writing problems programmed in. Sort of like the boilerplate text some of us use to deal with common errors in writing."
Patty_guest asks, "no humans, just bots?"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Now, although I don't approve of the cookie cutter method, for answers that are always going to be the same, the bots can help."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "and..."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "The humans are there too. They just use the bots to help"
Patty_guest says, "Good, that helps me understand."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "So, to most college students who have an account, this is cheaper than a phone call and gives a written record of what happened."
Patty_guest asks, "Are the tutors there scheduled hours? Someone there all the time?"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "The tutors are learning to coach students to "write for the transcript" so that the log on paper or the computer can be something the student can refer back to later, when alone and faced with writing problems."
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "I think that they must have a schedule. Did you know that Houghton Mifflin now offers an online tutoring service if you adopt their books?"
Keri_guest says, "So the students paste in their papers, and the tutors read them?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Or they e-mail the papers as attachments, which I think is easier."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "although some of the graphical MOO clients allow you to put attachments right into the MOO as a URL"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "but my favorite use, as I said, is as an idea generating tool."
Keri_guest says, "The Houghton Mifflin thing is interesting. It kind of relates to what you said on the listserv earlier, about ownership of Web-based materials.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "and, of course for online discussions of issues and projects in progress with my colleagues"
Patty_guest says, "How do you get them participate? I've encountered such resistance to them talking among themselves."
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "You mean the MIT model, that came out in the NYT today, Keri?"
Keri_guest says, "Yes.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I require participation. It's part of the class participation grade, and a student knows that he or she could get a 0 for the day if he or she does not chime in."
Patty_guest asks, "Then it is during class time? Or a designated time outside of class?"
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "of course, they should want feedback, should want to discuss ideas, but I guess we need more heavy handed motivation, sigh!"
Keri_guest says, "I'm taking an online class myself now, which is ostensibly offered through a local college, but is actually a canned course from some outfit on the West Coast.""
Bob_guest asks, "How about a philosophical question? Time is one of the major issues for both faculty and students today. How can on-line technologies, whether synchronous or asynchronous help us to do more, better, in less (or at least equal) time. Usually technologies seem to eat more of our lives as our connectedness increases? On top of that, lives tend to become like chatrooms, rather fragmented with multiple pieces all over the place. Do you replace class time for on-line time?"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Every comp class here meets one day a week in a lab."
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "But now and then we have distibuted labs, where students can log in while in pajamas from the dorm room. They have great fun with that, and take it very seriously!"
Wed Apr 4 12:33:28 2001 PDT
Keri_guest says, "Online in your underwear has become a new cliche'.""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "That's a great question, Bob. And it's one I grapple with daily as I struggle to find time to eat and sleep!"
Patty_guest says, "Keri, I took two online classes that were similar, supposedly from a local technical college, but actually from a firm in either Kansas or Missouri."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "But I guess it takes a lot of organization and preparation. Once you and your classes are used to it, it does not eat up a lot more time. But the learning curve can be steep and time consuming."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "It can also mean a rethinking of priorities. Like instead of class discussion out loud 2 days a week, I might do one online and one f2f"
<Peter>_guest teleports in.
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Hi Peter! Can you introduce yourself and your institution for the record?"
<Peter>_guest says, "Hi, I'm Peter Dimock from Family Social Science at the University of Minnesota""
Patty_guest asks, "Does someone 'manage' the MOO? Keeping logs, etc. Is it your responsibility Michael?"
Kris_guest says, "While we're waiting for Peter I'm wondering if we can go back to the bots - I'm wondering have they ever been used as a way to work with students with learning disabilities or in helping tutors to recognize potential learning disability issues?""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "But there are more interesting philosophical questions in what Bob is asking, dealing with what Kenneth Gergen calls social saturation, when new technologies make too many people too connected to us in too many ways. Where is there time to deal with all the connection and communication offered by new communication technologies?"
Kim_guest teleports in.
Sharon_guest says, " I like that term - social saturation"
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Kris, that's an intriguing question. Back in the early days of Artificial Intelligence research, Joseph Weisenbaum created a bot program called Eliza, that some patients preferred to their shrinks!"
Sharon_guest says, "She did what a "good" shrink does - asked questions back based upon comments by the user"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Hi Kim! Could you introduce yourself and your institution for the record? Remember to type a " or a : before anything you say."
Kim_guest says, "I am from Bethel College and I teach Nursing"
Kris_guest says, "It just struck me that there might be applications - particularly as it sounds like they get a written log which would record common errors/issues""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "right, in such a predictable way that some patients liked it better. But I think that the bots could help with eliciting text, but might not be able to help identify learning disabilities."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "However..."
Patty_guest asks, "Would you run into a danger of it cataloging someone as learning diabled when they were just of a different ethnic group or from a different part of the country?"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "You all do know that researchers like Seymour Papert have shown that in some cases computer work helps LD students dramatically."
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Kim, did I meet you when I was out there?"
Kris_guest says, "Yes - that would clearly be a danger but it might help provide clues as learning disabilities are very tricky to work with a lot of our students have them""
Kim_guest says, "yes you did, I was in the workshop which is the only reason I would attempt this kind of new thing. The only problem is I need to get caught up on the discussion"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "the written log provided in this environment is one great advantage. You can look through the record with a fine toothed comb and do any kind of analysis you like. But I am also impressed by the kind of synergy I see happening in these synchronous environments."
Patty_guest says, "Kris, I agee, it could be very useful but I would worry about a bot being the final word on something."
Wed Apr 4 12:44:08 2001 PDT
<Peter>_guest says, "I'm not familar with the word bot. Would someone explain briefly?""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "well, we have just been discussing some of the pedagogical applications of MOO and other sorts of synchronous discussions. But Bob brought up a great questions about time. How do we find the time to use all these new applications?"
Sharon_guest says, "One of the reasons I find synchronous text (chats and moos) uncomfortable is that you lose much of what makes synchronous communication function: body language, intonation, facial expression - these all work to make f2f synchronous communication efficient. The conversation we're having here today, while interesting, is probably less information-packed than we'd be having in person, simply because we're having to type, wait, and read, and because we are forced to do without some of the language components outside of the words. Plus, there is no avenue for the hushed aside. All conversation is same level. Like I said at the start - it would probably help if we were all 13 ;-)"
Keri_guest says, "I assume bot is derivative of robot. You know the Internet was invented by the guys who got beaten up a lot in high school for being geeks.""
Kim_guest says, "It's true, you do lose a lot of how we communicate non-verbally. Plus, you need to follow several threads at once, something my 16 year old has no trouble doing."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Pete, bot comes from robot I think, and refers to a mini-program in the MOO that you can record text into."
<Peter>_guest says, "Thanks""
Patty_guest says, "bot's take care of a lot of routine tasks for programmers, and users on the internet. The first encounter I had with a bot was the ones that places like AltaVista and Yahoo used to go out and grab new web addresses."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Leslie Harris had students make bots that explained the stages of hell in his Dante's Inferno MOO environment."
Kris_guest says, "I think a lot of our more traditional aged students are very comfortable with the communicating in sound bites - though I'm personally not comfortable with it I do find myself picking up things I might not i a f2f conversation.""
Kim_guest says, "I found that Dante's inferno example pretty complicated"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Sharon I agree completely, which is why I asked that question on the listserv about how we can get real interactions and community building activities going in online classes."
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Patty_guest exclaims, "as for time, I think I learn a new program or application about once a month anymore. It all takes time and it eats up free time like crazy!"
Kim_guest asks, "I wonder if there is something different for those of us who are visual learners, text vs. people?"
Bob_guest says, "As Kim says, the net-generation is becoming entrained to not be linear, but we of last generation bc (before computers) tend to like more linearity"
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "We lose a lot of channels of communication by forcing it into text alone. But you see, as a writing teacher, I can also see advantages. They have to write it all in!"
Sharon_guest exclaims, "Hmmm - good points!"
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Kim, I am sorry it was complicated. Could I show it to you some time?"
Patty_guest asks, "But, don't you find that the net and forums like this encourage people to be sloppy in grammar?"
Kim_guest says, "That makes sense, it would make you a better writer"
Sharon_guest says, "Mike, you're actually doing a good job of facilitating this conversation in this environment. "
Keri_guest says, "ITA, Patty, about having to learn new applications constantly. It can be stimulating, but overwhelming as well.""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Well, theoretically, but you know what language students use in chats? R U M or F?"
Kim_guest says, "I saw the Dante's inferno thing when you came to Bethel. It was just pretty involved I guess. An interesting example though."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "So I am continually talking to them about code switching for different audiences, in chats and the MOO"
<Peter>_guest says, "Another problem I encounter with student is in chat the fastest typer is like the quick witted. He or she gets in more quickly and tends to monopolize""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Oh, sorry Kim. See how short my memory gets when I am trying to type a mile a minute?"
Kim_guest says, "To be honest, it is like learning a new language"
Sharon_guest says, "re: fastest typist comment - that's why I prefer asynchronous text conversations - threaded forums, etc."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "The example I gave earlier (might have been before you came in, Kim) is a little easier. Tutors at UIC are using bots for stock description of common writing errors and solutions."
Patty_guest says, "Peter, I'm one of the fast typists, so I know what you mean, I actually take my hands off the keyboard to make sure others get a word in edgewise. . ."
Kim_guest says, "You have a little more time to think and reflect about what to say"
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Sharon, thanks for your kind remarks. Can you tell that I do this a lot?"
Sharon_guest says, "Either you do this a lot or you are a parent ;-)"
Sharon_guest asks, "Have any of you had experience with audio chat?"
Kris_guest says, "Seems like learning the new language would be helpful for all of us to experience from time to time - in helping us understand some of the transitional issues many of our students deal with in coming to college""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Right Peter. But sometimes it gets the ones who are slower fired up to get faster, and at least say something. And you can switch to asynchronous, like a web board or list, at any point. Then the fast ones don't really dominate."
Kim_guest says, "Sharon, it's funny how the parenting thing introduces us as teachers to a lot of new ways to learn and communicate"
<Peter>_guest says, "It's even more of a problem when I invite a guest to join and he or she is typing impaired. Do I have them pass a typing test first?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I did discuss the problems of MOOing and making teachable moments out of them in one of my webbed articles, I think. Trouble in Paradise or something like that..."
Patty_guest says, "I'm always telling people that it's not a typing test, just take it at their own speed."
Kris_guest says, "Maybe this is where voice recognition will come into play some day""
Kim_guest says, "Peter, typing skills are really important, but I think can be learned quickly"
Sharon_guest says, "Re: learning new programs - one thing I suggest faculty and teachers do is give new programs to their students, and ask the students to learn them and come back and teach the faculty member or teacher. Saves time and is a good empowering of the student(s)"
mday (rhetronymical) hasn't tried that yet Sharon, have you? I hear that unless the bandwidth is good, you lose pieces of it or have to wait.
Wed Apr 4 12:54:23 2001 PDT
Kris_guest says, "Sharon - that is a great suggestion!""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Some of it is transitional for new college students, but with computer technology more and more my students are the ones teaching me a new language"
Kim_guest says, "I need to get going-the parent thing. Thanks you guys, I'll be looking forward to a transcript."
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Sharon_guest says, "re: audio chat - I haven't tried it yet, but it would address SOME of the drawbacks to synchronous text"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Peter, the typing impaired guest needs to speed up OR get a voice to text program for input"
<Peter>_guest says, "Are there some programs for audio chat that you would suggest?""
Sharon_guest asks, "I'm going to have to run to a faculty meeting pretty soon - how long do we plan to go?"
Keri_guest says, "It occurs to me that voice chat would eliminate the kind of self censorship that people do when they're producing a written communication. That could be good or bad.""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Oops Kris! You already said that! Can you tell that I am getting behind on my responses?"
Patty_guest says, "brb"
Kris_guest says, "seems like different types of instruction might benefit from different types of chat rooms - as Mike commented earlier on the writing helping him as an English instructor""
Keri_guest says, "We had allotted an hour for the chat, but we can stay as long as you want and as long as Michael is available.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I can stay as long as you like. Remember that I'll put the log on the web so you can read what happened."
<Peter>_guest says, "I need to go, but thanks for the ideas""
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "And then, Keri, they would revert to the type of censorship that speakers use. Or would they, if they got accustomed to the fact that their speech was generating text?"
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mday (rhetronymical) says, "See what I mean? That if you know it's going to be written, you might compose in speech as if you were writing? Sort of like the dictaphone model."
mday (rhetronymical) grins. It looks like I caught up, finally!
mday (rhetronymical) says, "or that everyone else is lagging."
Keri_guest says, "But with the dictaphone model, the machine doesn't talk back.""
Bob_guest says, "Thanks for your wonderful on-line experience and expertise. Are there papers that deal with synchronous discussions that you would recommend, Michael."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "right, so I guess I am thinking about one-way voice input."
Patty_guest says, "back"
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "well, be sure to look at the links from my talk. You have the URL for that, right?"
Sharon_guest says, "I just went out on the web and searched for audio chat...found a couple interesting ones I'll type in"
mday (rhetronymical) has written a bit on MOO. I think more is listed on my home page, www.niu.edu/~tb0mxd1 under webbed publications.
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Other good books are _MOOniversity_ by Haynes and Holmevick, _The Dialogic Classroom_ by Galin and Latchaw, and New Worlds, New Words by Barber and Grigar"
Patty_guest says, "time to head out, thanks for the chat everyone"
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Sharon_guest says, "www.paltalk.com Voice Chat at www.worldwidewebazaar.com and this one looks really interesting: Audio Tips - "
Sharon_guest says, "Audio Tips - Audio Chat Communities for blind or sighted people, talk over the Internet www.audio-tips.com "
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Thanks for sharing these, Sharon!"
Wed Apr 4 13:04:53 2001 PDT
Sharon_guest exclaims, "Well, I've got to go. Thanks for doing this, Mike and Keri!"
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Bob_guest says, "Thanks again for the discussion, I'm off too."
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Keri_guest says, "Is there anybody left besides you and me, Michael?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Rats, they all leave before I get to say thanks back! I'm used to it."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Kris is still showing as here, but 9 minutes idle"
Keri_guest says, "Dozing, Kris?""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "So is MOOn Guest, but I don't thing MOOn ever spoke"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Let me check the transcript to see if Kris said she had to go."
Kris_guest says, "Sorry I just went in to check my e-mail - caught me!!""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Ahah!"
mday (rhetronymical) asks, "Well, any last words or comments?"
Keri_guest says, "I guess we can wrap this up. It was fun, and I think this kind of communication has potential.""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "I marvel that folks who are so busy will still take the time to come join us!"
Kris_guest says, "Mike I do want to thank you for doing this - it's taken me out of my comfort zone and helped me see some different ways of doing something""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "For the record, I want to thank everyone who came."
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Yeah, I talk about cognitive dissonance and the MOO experience too. It can be a good shock!"
Keri_guest says, "And thank you, Michael, for arranging all this.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "And sometimes a motivating factor for some kinds of students."
mday (rhetronymical) bows.
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Kris_guest says, "clap-clap!!""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I do this all the time, so please call on me if you would like me to lead more discussions."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I do a fair amount of my collaborating and consulting in this environment, you see..."
Keri_guest says, "That would be swell. We're starting to think about how we can use these kinds of events/technologies in future.""
Kris_guest says, "I'm heading out thanks again!""
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mday (rhetronymical) says, "I think it would be great, especially for people who can't attend in person."
mday (rhetronymical) says, "and, of course to get used to distance technologies..."
Keri_guest says, "Yes, on the one hand it's great to give access to folks who can't come to f2f conferences, but on the other hand, people find themselves pulled in so many directions at home that they can't participate as actively as they'd like.""
mday (rhetronymical) says, "I will link to this log from my presentation URL, and send the URL to the listserv"
Keri_guest says, "Sounds great. I'm still trying to access the log from yesterday's chat. Growl. Whimper.""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "right. I am amazed that no students or colleagues knocked on my door during this discussion!"
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Good luck getting yesterday's log. I use this environment since I know it's reliable."
Keri_guest says, "And it has more immediacy than the medium we used yesterday.""
mday (rhetronymical) likes the immediacy. I don't like having to wait for a browser to refresh to see every new comment.
Keri_guest says, "Exactly. I'm an instant gratification kind of gal, and the waiting makes me nuts.""
mday (rhetronymical) grins. I think more and more our students are accustomed to the speed too.
Keri_guest says, "I guess I'd better sign off. Many irons in the fire need to be tended to.""
Wed Apr 4 13:14:57 2001 PDT
mday (rhetronymical) says, "Great to talk with you again! I'll be reading and posting on the list."
Keri_guest says, "Thanks so much again for all your help!""
mday (rhetronymical) exclaims, "Take care! Bye!"
Keri_guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Keri_guest.
mday (rhetronymical) waves